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jamer
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posted November 27, 2001 11:47 AM     Profile for jamer   Email jamer     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This may be a dumb question but this is my first puppy, when do you switch to adult food. He is a six month old GSD.
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Chuck F.
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posted November 27, 2001 06:22 PM     Profile for Chuck F.   Email Chuck F.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is a highly debated topic. Some will say that you should feed puppy food until the dog is 1 year and sometimes 18 months. Others say to switch to adult food between 4 and 6 months. I think that puppy foods tend to have to high of a protein content and will cause large breed dogs to grow at too fast a rate. I switched my Golden retriever over to adult food at 5 months for that reason. He was growing too fast. Of course a lot of people on this web board feed all natural so this isn't an issue for them. If your dog is growing to fast or is having "growing pains" many vets will tell you to feed adult food.
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posted November 27, 2001 06:25 PM     Profile for Chuck F.   Email Chuck F.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's "too" fast, not "to" fast. Basic grammer. I am an idiot.lol
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posted November 27, 2001 07:19 PM     Profile for Richard Cannon   Email Richard Cannon     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Chuck,

Actually I have a friend with a puppy this having the same problem with a BARF diet. She is having to modify the diet to reduce the fat content in what she is feeding him. He is begining to develop some mild pano symptoms from his present diet.


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posted November 27, 2001 07:47 PM     Profile for Chuck F.   Email Chuck F.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Interesting stuff Richard, I wouldn't know any better since I don't feed BARF. I suppose there is differences in what you feed pups and adult dogs when you feed BARF.
I know that I would drive my self crazy wondering whether my dogs were getting all the nutrition they needed on a BARF diet, and I suppose I would even go crazier worrying if I had to figure out what to do if I were in your friend's shoes. Oh well. I in no way intend to knock a BARF diet and I didn't mean to ramble on and get off topic. Thanks for the info.

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posted November 27, 2001 08:12 PM     Profile for Shandar   Email Shandar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Protien from a BARF diet and that found in kibble is very different. Until now, I have never heard of anyone on the BARF diet having problems with pano. Is your freind feeding an all BARF diet or still using some kibble? I have raised 2 dogs from birth to adulthood (that I have kept) and have raised several litters on BARF. I personally have not had any problems with my dogs. Another interesting note would be that my one dog's sire had several litters and all the other pups had pano (but not my pup). But, I also do not do any vaccines.
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posted November 27, 2001 08:13 PM     Profile for Shandar   Email Shandar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Another note, might be what meat your freind uses as their main source in thier BARF diet?
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posted November 27, 2001 09:31 PM     Profile for Richard Cannon   Email Richard Cannon     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Shandar,

She has gone to grinding her own. The breeder told her to increase the chicken/turky and cut down on the beef. It seems to be helping.


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posted November 27, 2001 09:33 PM     Profile for Shandar   Email Shandar     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes, that might have been part of the problem. I feed my young pups more chicken necks/backs than beef and other meats.
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posted November 28, 2001 08:30 AM     Profile for Chad S.   Email Chad S.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In growing animals, with the exception of when there is an amino acid deficiency/imbalance, the protein:energy ratio is exceptionally important in determining growth rates. The differences in amino acid suitability between beef vs. poultry is not substantial, but the protein:energy ratio based on raw meat can be much different.
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posted November 28, 2001 12:25 PM     Profile for Dave Trowbridge   Email Dave Trowbridge     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Chad--

Could you expand on that protein:energy ratio you spoke of? What exactly is it? Is there an online source that talks about that, or lists it for various meats?

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posted November 28, 2001 12:49 PM     Profile for Chad S.   Email Chad S.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It is just the total amount of energy (calories) vs total amount of protein (in meat this can be determined fairly well by total Nitrogen). If there is not sufficient energy in the diet, amino acids are converted into energy, glucose and ketones. This process is inefficient and has various effects on hormonal regulation of growth (too low of an energy rotein ratio = reduced growth, too high = fat growth instead of lean). A lot of work has been done with this in production animals, pigs in particular, a lit search through Pub Med should provide a great deal of journal articles, some will be online.
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posted November 28, 2001 04:00 PM     Profile for Lauren   Email Lauren     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It depends on the dog. My dog ate puppy/active food for almost the first three years of her life because she doesn't like adult food. She grew slowly and never ate very much, so it worked out well. This is not anything that I would recommend, it just worked for us. Most dogs I would recommend the owner switching if they are not sure if the dog is growing too fast, since they can always catch up later but can't reverse problems as easily .

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Lots of truth on here today. Yes,Jamer that is a dumb question and Yes, Chuck F. you are an idiot. Back up a minute and tll me what kind offood yo are feeding as far as te brand. I think that is the most important thing to consider. You need to email me personally because every reply to your post that I have read are from people who do not seem to know anythig about the canine diet and probably nothing of dog training eiter. Take them with a grin Of salt for your own good. And pleas, No more stupid questions on my site.
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posted December 26, 2001 10:34 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Lots of truth on here today. Yes,Jamer that is a dumb question and Yes, Chuck F. you are an idiot. Back up a minute and tll me what kind offood yo are feeding as far as te brand. I think that is the most important thing to consider. You need to email me personally because every reply to your post that I have read are from people who do not seem to know anythig about the canine diet and probably nothing of dog training either. Take them with a grain Of salt for your own good. And please, No more stupid questions on my site.
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posted December 26, 2001 10:35 AM     Profile for Ed Frawley   Email Ed Frawley     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The above post was not done by me - it is being done by a very sick disturbed and
pitiful individual who goes on lists like this and posts under other peoples names.

My member number on my own list is not 1061 as this persons is.

If anyone would like the name of this individual they can contact me on a private email.


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